Who really is behind the Environmental movement?

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I like the way you think... I may not agree with every detail but I think our heads are in the same place. I sent you a PM, let me know if you're interested.

Thanks for looking through the sources, most don't lol

Ethanol yes, it's only worsening the food crisis.

But newer alternative technologies, never.

I'm saying the Environmental movement has been hijacked and directed by a small group intent on using global warming (and terrorism) and use it to tax people into submission. A Global Carbon Tax is coming and as crazy and hard to take as it is, try and set up World Governance.

Peak oil is nothing but a scam too....to say that Major Oil buying 125 refineries and shutting them down isn't intent on creating an artificial bottleneck is ludicrous. Just a side note << I had to through it in..

The first few articles may have pointed that out.

And the people at the bottom of the movement that include the everyday middle class person tries and means well to try and save the environment but doesn't realise the same people they should be fighting against are the very people funding them.

Prince Philip, fouding of WWF just yesterday said the Earth was overpopulated - He is infamously known to have coined the phrase that when he dies he would want to come back as a virus to solve overpopulation.

Another goal in exploiting Climate Change is to carry out depopulation through food shortages, bioweapons, one child policy.

One way to combat global warming, Turner said, is to stabilize the population.
Turner suggested that “on a voluntary basis, everybody in the world’s got to pledge to themselves that one or two children is it.”

Ted Turner has 5 children.........

Dr. Eric R. Pianka, a professor at the University of Texas who has a following of dedicated environmentalists, made startling comments regarding population reduction to a group of students and other scientists in April of 2006. Because of the negative effects of overpopulation on the earth, Pianka proposed that the Ebola virus be used as a tool of population reduction. Pianka also praised China's one child policy, saying that, "China was able to turn the corner and become the leading world super power because they have a police state and they are able to force people to stop re-producing."

"Richard Haass, the current president of the Council on Foreign Relations, stated in his article "State sovereignty must be altered in globalized era," that a system of world government must be created and sovereignty eliminated in order to fight global warming, as well as terrorism. "Moreover, states must be prepared to cede some sovereignty to world bodies if the international system is to function," says Haass. "Globalization thus implies that sovereignty is not only becoming weaker in reality, but that it needs to become weaker. States would be wise to weaken sovereignty in order to protect themselves..."

"In a report titled "The First Global Revolution" (1991) published by the Club of Rome, a globalist think tank, we find the following statement: "In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.... All these dangers are caused by human intervention... The real enemy, then, is humanity itself."

Really to understand this needs a bit of basic psychology of these people.

To put it simply they are Globalists, they love money, power and care less for nation state's & sovereignty. They are nihilist's and they believe through their paganistic and satantic beliefs that bringing about the end times is something to look forward to.

Here is one such Globalist family member:

Here's a brief transcript of the exchange.

ALEX JONES: "The polar icecaps of Mars are receding at several miles a year, much faster than ours and that the moons of Saturn and Jupiter are melting, in fact several of their moons were ice and are now liquid seas - how are SUV's causing that David Rothschild?

ROTHSCHILD: "Because those planets are closer to the sun, my friend."

ALEX JONES: "No, Jupiter and Saturn are not closer to the sun and neither is Mars."

Rothschild then quickly changes the subject and when the point is raised again later in the show, he makes no effort to correct himself.

An audio file is below of the Full interview, I must admit that Alex Jones is a bit spirited and flamboyant in his radio addresses but this is truly a interview to hear to believe. David Rothschild actually thinks people are that stupid that he repeats himself over and over...a psychological technique that's just common practice. Tell a lie that many times and people are likely to accept it.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/audio/060707rothschild.mp3

General Lord Guthrie, director of N.M. Rothschild & Sons, also recently called for the elite to, "Address the global climate crisis with a single voice, and impose rules that apply worldwide," (global government).

There is debate on whether these elite are wanting World Government or World Governance. This article below should explain the difference.

http://www.infowars.com/?p=1852

To summarise:

The Environmental movement as individuals have good intent and mean well.

Those that have used the movement for their own gain to steer world policy and events as a means to an end are the enemies of humanity.

My view is that Global Warming is real but that it is a natural cycle and that cycle of warming stop in 1998 which is admitted by the IPCC. We are now in a cooling phase.

I would much rather warming than cooling.[/b]

Well I'm at uni at the moment, still trying to get through all your stuff. It's interesting but what is it that you're trying to say? That the environmental movement is wrong, or just illmanaged? I mean, I agree that mistakes have been made and there are a lot of idiots on either side, but what are you actually saying?

That we should drop the renewable fuels initiative?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/130207globalwarming.htm

Not many people do engage here I've found...wonder why it's still up.

Thankyou very much.

Such usefull information. Previously i was skeptical about man made global warming. I just knew there was something else about it.
Once i figured that theres more evidence to say its natural than man-made i then wondered why politics were so involved. Than it smacked me in the face. Grinded me around the floor and left me in complete......well you know.
Its so god damn clear to me now. Ive always known about carbon taxing but i didnt think that alone was dodgy enough.
Green language is being used to slowly give up rights by using (i know its a cliche now) fear. There is no division upon who is to blame, its humanity itself! We ourselves are the bad people.
If you can lay enough guilt on a human for messing with the earth, and if they care enough (are brainwashed enough) they will give up their rights....in order to save the world.
The article you posted about the UN book. That sent chills down my spine. Reminded me of the nazi days where Germans were being fed raw propaghanda.
Its so hard to get a message across these days. People like me and you are being branded so that we get pushed in the corner and laughed at.
The first time i thought something was wierd about global warming was when i watched Al gores film. At the time i was pro-man made global warming. It seemed like there wasnt that much evidence to support man made warming. Just a few slideshows, pictures of glaciers and the whole "250, 000 worlds top scientist" which ive heard dodgy shit about anyway. Ive even heard that a slice of those scientists dont even know theyre there.
Anyway I just wanted to say thank you. Those sites have been so usefull to me. I just cant get over that UN book. I keep thinking about it. It scares the shit outta me cuz it lets me know what kind of world we live in when there simply ISNT enough evidence to support man made warming yet theyve done this already. Just does not make sense.

PS: sorry for mentioning david. He is one we must not touch in discussion. Thats when people WILL call me crazy heh. I just knew you mustve came across him atleast once. Your incredibly intelligent and you seem to have an open mind. Only people who posses such skills have the power to read his books. You must admit though, if you know what the GOV is really doing to its people, The whole Icke theory fits perfectly well....
Anyway enough. I cant say i believe anything he says anyway (because i dont want to) :? .

Anyway thankyou my friend. If there is a God, your fighting for him.
Keep informing people and dont stop.
Never stop.
I know where your heads at and I know youre fighting for the right cause.

Keep fighting the good fight.

The Gazette
Thursday, April 24, 2008

Dearly beloved, our global warming brethren provided several ‘‘facts” that they claim prove that global warming is real and that it is caused by humans [‘‘Don’t stand by and ignore global warming,” Letters to the editor, April 3]. Anyone who disagrees with them is either in the employ of Big Oil or too stupid to understand how science works.

There are flaws in every piece of ‘‘evidence” our fanatical brothers and sisters cite, starting with the IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] Report. In fact, the ‘‘evidence” doesn’t actually say what they say it does. Many of the scientists involved refused to endorse the executive summary that was written by bureaucrats at the U.N. This summary is cited repeatedly by the acolytes of global warming. The actual report, however, is very careful to point out that there is no definitive link between human pollution and global warming. We cannot even say for certain that the current trend is unnatural.

Environmentalists on the left cite the report of the National Academy of Sciences, which actually stated that there is no conclusive link between human activity and global warming. In fact, only 17 percent of the members of both the American Meteorological Society and the American Geophysical Union think that the increase in greenhouse gas emission in the 20th Century caused global warming. The leadership of both organizations has embraced the global warming theology and threatened to excommunicate members who don’t follow the catechism.

Computer models that portend to divine the future are extremely unreliable. These models cannot take into account the effects of cloud formations, precipitation, and changes in the ocean or the sun. That’s because science doesn’t understand them well enough to make use of them in the models. Considering that clouds and ocean currents have an enormous impact on our weather cycle, it is critical to understand these areas of inquiry before leaping to conclusions.

Finally, recent scientific evidence actually suggests the current climate change may be due to solar radiation changes that are affecting the entire solar system. Measurable increases in recent global temperature have been found on Mars and the moon. If confirmed elsewhere in the solar system, this would cast doubt on the dogma of global warming.

All you tree huggers needn’t fear, however. Big Brother has the situation well in hand. Tim Wirth, an adviser to President Clinton, has stated,

Forgive me, Tim, if I’m skeptical that selling me and mine into state-sponsored slavery for a ‘‘problem” that has no definitive cause is for my own good or even the good of the planet. I’d prefer to wait for science before worshiping at the Church of the Almighty Kyoto Protocol with its high priest, His Eminence Al Gore.

Jason Papanikolas, Laurel

No worries man it's 100% public / mainstream / documented information meant to educate.

The best thing to do-and your probably doing it-is to provide headings + sources which in each individual article should have.

I'm not even gonna touch David Icke... :o

No need to give credit to me...I'm just a messenger. The Credit goes to the article writers of alternative and mainstream media (Sometimes only because it raises awareness not that they trumpet some things as 'good').

To king leonidas.
I think we see the world the same.

I am very familiar with Alex Jones on infowars.com and the other from prisonplanet.com
Im guessing you must know if David Ickes work to? (scary shit)

I was just going to ask a question. Do you mind if i copy and paste your entire post to a pro-man made global warming site.
I think the information youve given will shake them up into reality.

If given consent, i will (of course) give you 100% credit for the entire post and tell people of this site.

Do you mind?

It's something I can't make up :?

CFR: State Sovereignty Must Be Altered In Globalized Era
http://base.google.com/base/a/1027933/6076611128683676989

cool :shock:

Beautifullie??

Some random UQ Myspace requested an invite.

So I joined here in the hopes of exposing the truth about how Global Warming / Climate change is being used to form world government and make the majority of citizens peasants.

How did you find this place by the way? Through the beautifullie thingy? Just curious...

Environmentalist PR Firms In Green Propaganda Offensive - Packed full of sources
http://infowars.net/articles/april2008/210408Yahoo.htm

Conservation loses out to global warming panic
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/weather/uk_and_roi/article3775931.ece

McCartney urges vegetarianism to fight climate ills
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN18449776

No problem.

Believe me before I knew all this if someone presented all this all at once it's like ripping a band-aid off a cut.

It's about taking baby-steps because the exploitation of Global Warming is just the beginning. :cry:

All the articles are documented / sourced so you can research them for yourself.

They'll be pdf's.

Reports

Memoirs

Organisational papers.

Governmental documents.

Hmm, give me a few days to 'digest' this before I respond...

Earth Cooling as Global Warming Theorists Claim the Opposite
http://news.scotsman.com/uk/World--cooling--but.3951196.jp

Londoners could pay $50 a day to drive in city
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23917221/

Ted Turner: Global warming could lead to cannibalism
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/news/stories/2008/04/03/turner_0404.html

OFFICIAL: CO2 induced global warming is bunkum
http://www.crash.net/motoring/roadcars/news/article/21488-0/official_co2_induced_global_warming_is_bunkum.html

Man-Made Global Warming Is Politics Not Science
http://www.etherzone.com/2007/bend021307.shtml
Here are just a few quotes the press used to excite the gullible in the 1970’s:

Climate of Fear
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008220

U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport

The following are comments from some of the more than 400 scientists in a Republican report on global warming:

Oleg Sorochtin of the Institute of Oceanology at the Russian Academy of Sciences

Atmospheric scientist Hendrik Tennekes, former research director at the Netherlands' Royal National Meteorological Institute

David Wojick, expert reviewer for U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

Chief Meteorologist Eugenio Hackbart of the MetSul Meteorologia Weather Center in Sao Leopoldo-Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil